John Heilemann talks with his pal Nicolle Wallace, host of Deadline: White House on MSNBC, about the battle between democracy and autocracy at home and abroad, the rot afflicting the GOP, Wallace's former party, and the American right’s lack of moral underpinnings. Wallace, former White House communications director under George. W. Bush, reflects on how Republicans went from embracing Bush to worshipping Trump, the corrosive impact of Fox News and Tucker Carlson in particular on the health of the Republic, and why Wallace views the radicalization of the Republican establishment as the “most underreported story in America.” Wallace also reacts to the return of Sarah Palin — her bete noir as a staffer for John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign, as famously recounted in Heilemann's book and film, Game Change — as a candidate for Congress in Alaska. Tune in to the full episode to hear about the latest bombshell reporting on efforts to subvert the 2020 election — namely, a series of text messages revealing that conservative activist Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, pressured then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to overturn Biden’s victory.
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