John Heilemann talks with John Avlon, senior political analyst and anchor at CNN, about the escalation of Russia’s bombardment of Ukraine, the staggering scale and velocity of the Ukrainian refugee crisis and the implications for neighboring countries, and whether Biden is right to predict that Putin’s invasion will leave “Russia weaker and the rest of the world stronger.” They also discuss Avlon’s new book, Lincoln and the Fight for Peace, and the lessons that Lincoln’s approach to peacemaking holds for presidential leadership, especially in times of extreme polarization.
