John Heilemann speaks with former Obama campaign and White House communications guru and Pod Save America co-host Dan Pfeiffer about Pfeiffer's new book, Battling the Big Lie: How Fox, Facebook, and the MAGA Media Are Destroying America. The two discuss the right-wing disinformation and propaganda machine, how it works, why it's so powerful, and how Democrats can change their messaging to fight back. Catch their full conversation on the Hell and High Water podcast, available wherever you get your podcasts.