Peter Baker and Susan Glasser

John Heilemann welcomes Peter Baker, Chief White House Correspondent for The New York Times, and his wife, Susan Glasser, staff writer at The New Yorker, who have co-authored The Divider, a new and already much-talked about book that takes an exhaustive look at Donald Trump's presidency. They discuss whether Trump will run for president in 2024 even if he's under indictment by the Justice Department and how an indictment might actually help his candidacy; the impact a potential prosecution of a former president will have on the nation; that Trump enablers like Bill Barr and Mitch McConnell can't whitewash their complicity in Trump's corruption; how Trump's "American Carnage" speech at his 2016 inauguration was a watershed moment that made clear his time in office would be like no other; the many ways in which Trump tried to co-opt the Justice Department and the military to serve his whims, and the conflict, dysfunction, and administration infighting it created; Trump's unparalleled skill at fomenting division to use for his personal and political gain; that unknown to Trump, his most favored world leaders, including Vladimir Putin, actually viewed him with disdain; the nature of Trump's relationship with Melania; and what it's like to have the singular experience of interviewing Trump. Peter and Susan also try to explain Trump's mental state and answer the question that seems to be on so many people's minds, which is just how dangerous is Trump to the health and well-being of the country?